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jackteet
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February 1, 2013 - 4:26 am

Hi, I want to start flying with a fairly easy heli but to use is outside. I have narrowed my choice down to the Syma S032G, Syma S800G and the WL Toys V911. I have a large area of land and very good weather all year. I would appreciate your opinions please. Thanks

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zedorda
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February 1, 2013 - 9:53 am

If you want to fly outdoors "easily" a coaxial is really out of the question unless it is always windless weather. It is just a design flaw but coaxial helicopters don't crash in wind but the wind will easily carry it off into the blue wonder fast. The v911 is my choice for beginner outside flying. I own the S107G, S800G, and the v911 but you should consider waiting for the F3 from Syma if your a fan of the Syma style. It is "on paper" the same as the v911 but from Syma and hopefully will have their signature stability. The v911 is a stable craft but does not hover in place as good as a Syma heli's but has alot more speed and control.

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February 1, 2013 - 11:14 am

Hi zedorda, Thanks very much for your advice. I have read a thread on here saying that the v911 has a tendancy to go to the left.

Bang Good who sell this model point out that the left landing gear rail has been raised to counter act this. Seems strange that this course of action

is taken rather than to deal with the problem at its roots. Anyway I am interested in the new Syma F3 that you mention. Do you know when this maybe released. I do favour Syma and to be honest I like the S800G rather than the V911 but I have no idea why !!!!!!!!Regards jack

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zedorda
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February 1, 2013 - 2:16 pm

The drifting to the left on lift off is a fact of all single blade helicopters and is part of the physics of it. Most full size passenger helicopters have

computer systems to compensate for this. Needless to say it is easy enough to just manually compensate with some right roll. The effect goes

away as soon as you apply enough throttle to hover. I personally cut off the tabs on the skid because I didn't like the look of them. After I installed

the cnc machined aluminum swash plate headset upgrade kit the left drift was reduced dramatically. The S800G is great but the control mode

Syma used for it really makes it hard to do alot of maneuvers which I find easy on the v911 plus it's alot faster. Another major issue with the

S800G is it is an IR controlled heli which in any sun light makes alot of interference where as the v911 is a real RC controlled heli making outside

flying trouble free with more range than you can really make full use of.

 

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jackteet
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February 3, 2013 - 9:47 am

Hi zedorda, thank you very much for the info. I am very interested in your reference to a cnc machined swash plate upgrade kit. May I ask

what general improvement this makes and whether most helis can be upgraded. I can`t even fly one yet but would love to tinker with one

to improve it. Would you say that d.I.y is fairly simple. I have found a couple of V911 for about $ 39.00 with free shipping; seems good value.

Are there any good online suppliers that you obtain your parts/upgrades from. Regards jack

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zedorda
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February 3, 2013 - 11:40 am

The swash plate upgrade is real easy to do with no major modifications. All you need is a real small screw driver and since it includes an

aluminum main shaft that replaces the stock mild steel one the whole assembly only adds couple grams. 

 

As for being available for other brand/model heli that is a more detailed issue. If you research the v911 a little you will find that it is really a copy of

the Nine Eagles Solo Pro 260A a much more expensive heli. Well it became a fairly popular heli with the modding community so there are quite

afew mods for the Solo pro 260A that are directly transferable to the v911 parts and all. So if you check Ebay you can find the upgrade swash kit

for either heli pretty easily. I found mine for $7.99/w free shipping. Banggood.com is a great Chinese supplier that carries the v911 as an

RTF($39.99) or BNF($19.99) and just about any stock part you will ever need.

 

In general the aluminum swash plate helps most outside in the wind. The plastic original swash plate allowed for flex where the aluminum

does not. The headset has an aluminum pin with 2 sleeve bearings so the plastic blades don't experience friction while they pivot where the

original was all plastic on plastic which wears alot faster. Along with the fact that all the lift is carried by the blades and those plastic nubs I am

happier they are now metal because the blades are wear parts and will be replaced more often I rather not have their drive pin fail.

 

I highly recommend getting the newer battery version. The original version easily ejects the battery on minor crashes and can even vibrate out

mid-flight.

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jackteet
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February 3, 2013 - 12:13 pm

Hi zedorda, Thank you yet again for the detailed info. I have found the up grade kits for the nine eagles and have "Googled" swatch plate so I now know

the item to which you refer. I am looking to get the $39.99 from Bang Good. May I ask what RTF and BNF stand for. Silly question but how do I ensure

that I get the newer battery version. Thanks again. regards jack.

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zedorda
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February 3, 2013 - 12:18 pm

RTF = Ready To Fly - Comes with everything you need to fly

BNF = Bind aNd Fly -  Comes without a control or extra parts just the helicopter.

 

IF you look close at the item title "WLtoys V911 2.4GHz 4CH Gyro Remote Control RC Helicopter Mode 2 New Plug Version"

 

Here is a link to the right one on Banggood.com

banggood.com/Wholesale-Wltoys-V911-2_4ghz-4ch-Gyro-Remote-Control-Rc-Helicopter-Mode-2-New-Plug-Version-p-36779.html

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jackteet
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February 4, 2013 - 1:40 am

Hi zedorda, thanks for the info and the link. I shall order the V911 from Bang Good unless the Syma F3 is to be released soon.

I have emailed Syma.com asking when they will be releasing the model. Should I recevie a reply I will post on here.

Thank you once again for your help and patience. Regards jack.

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February 4, 2013 - 9:54 pm
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Yes let us know-they are slow in replying as also sent them email

"Fly like a butterfly sting like a Syma" http://syma107.com

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jackteet
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February 5, 2013 - 1:54 am

Hi Symafreak,

I shall not be holding my breath. As a complete novice there doesn`t appear to be much difference in the spec between the two although

I would personally prefer the Syma to the V911.

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Widdog
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February 11, 2013 - 11:20 pm

IMHO I would go with a WL Toys Quad Copter. I would think the new V202 Scorpion. The reason being is it has the 6 axis set up. I understand why Syma goes with a Mode 3 transmitter over a Mode 2. However, I am more comfortable with Mode 2. My last point is that what Syma calls their Mode 2 is really Mode 3. All this Mode stuff I’m talking has to do with the mapping of the transmitter and where the “Rubber/Spin” is on the transmitter. All other makes puts the throttle and spin on the right stick Mode 2. Mode 3 has the throttle and bank on the right stick.  

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zedorda
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February 12, 2013 - 3:34 am

And Syma's 4ch S800G puts throttle and roll on the left stick.

 

RC flight control modes explained proper.

 

Mode 1 Left Stick-Vertical/Elevator Horizontal/Rudder
Right stick-Vertical/Throttle Horizontal/Aileron

Mode 2 Left Stick-Vertical/Throttle Horizontal/Rudder
Right Stick-Vertical/Elevator Horizontal/Aileron

Mode 3 Left Stick-Vertical/Elevator Horizontal/Aileron
Right Stick-Vertical/Throttle Horizontal/Rudder

Mode 4 Left Stick-Vertical/Throttle Horizontal/Aileron
Right Stick-Vertical/Elevator Horizontal/Rudder

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