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MikeK
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Syma,

I was introduced to the RC Helicopter hobby by the S-107, which hooked me.  I tried some others, a UDI and a Walkera, but found them difficult to control.  Then I got an x5c which I flew almost every day for more than a year -- and which convinced me that Syma knows how to make quads.

More recently I've been following an urge to take a step upward to a more serious quad, one with a gimbal-controlled camera and high-quality FPV.  The quads I've been looking at are the DJI Phantom 3 and the Yuneec Q500, both of which seem to have what I'm interested in with one big exception; both involve a lot of software tinkering to accommodate their FPV functions -- and I am a relative computer dummy who hates playing around with software.

I've been expecting Syma to introduce a quad in the Phantom and Yuneec category, but I would expect it to be superior to both of them and to be usable without the software tinkering.  It should have at least a 7 inch FPV monitoring screen built into the controller, the quad should be as sleek and attractive as the Phantom but the size of the Yuneec Q500, and it should be almost ready to fly right out of the box.   

Based on the thoughts, opinions, complaints and questions I've been reading on the DJI and Yuneed message boards there is no doubt in my mind there is an eager market waiting for the next level of innovation in rc quad technology.  And I've been expecting Syma to bring it on.  

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Redfive
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I would agree with the spec apart from the built in fpv. I have a fpv quad ( hubsan h107d ) that has the monitor in the controller but find it hard to not fly it looking at quad rather than the monitor. I think a set of goggles plugged into the controller would be better.

Bryan

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Redfive said
I would agree with the spec apart from the built in fpv. I have a fpv quad ( hubsan h107d ) that has the monitor in the controller but find it hard to not fly it looking at quad rather than the monitor. I think a set of goggles plugged into the controller would be better.

Hello, Bryan!

I've been wondering what happened to you.  It's good to see a familiar voice.

I understand your feelings about FPV, and because you have a bird with FPV I regard yours as the voice of experience.  What I don't like about the goggles concept is you are locked into what the camera sees, which is okay if you're flying in a wide open space.  But where I live (and fly) there are power lines and a virtual forest of trees which I need to carefully evade, so LOS (Line Of Sight) is critically important to me as the main method of control.  But there are times when I would like to have FPV capability and at such times I would like a big, clear screen.  

What I dislike about Phantom-3 is FPV requires a smart-phone or tablet.  I don't have a smart-phone or a tablet, nor do I want either one, and I am especially apprehensive about the software (and "firmware") tinkering required to accommodate the use of these devices.  I would much prefer a 7" FPV monitor screen built into the controller.  The Yuneec Q500 has a screen built into its controller but it's situated at the bottom rather than the top, which makes it difficult to combine with LOS viewing -- and it's only 5-1/2".  

DJI is about to announce Phantom-4 and has reduced the price of Phantom-3 (from $1,300 to $1,000).  In fact the prices of drones are being driven down by introduction of competitive and innovative products almost every day.  So I think it's a matter of time 'til what you and I both are looking for will be available at reasonable cost.  

I'm hoping Syma has something on the drawing board, because they know how to turn out good, affordable products -- such as the S-107 and the now-revered x5c.  

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Hi All,

Now interesting concept I came up with...There are what I call 5 min wonders in this hobby especially flying quads.Now as this world has gone crazy in this last few years on quadcopters, there are a lot of people giving up, as get bored and the main flyers upgrading to better technology..so I thought there is a opportunity to buy second hand quads like the Phantom cheap. They are not hard to repair unless been in the sea like my old Phantom, new esc and motor still flying

So my thoughts were maybe I should create a site on that-- however found the legal side creates me as a broker like Ebay per say..so walked from that. However I feel there is nothing wrong pitting a ad in your local shop window? Have not tried that yet, any views on my crazy thoughts?

sco_hmmthink

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Hi Mike, I have been thinking that maybe a plug in monitor that you could either clip to the controller or set in goggles maybe the way to go, What do you think?

Bryan

Bryan

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Syma Freak said
Hi All,

Now interesting concept I came up with...There are what I call 5 min wonders in this hobby especially flying quads.Now as this world has gone crazy in this last few years on quadcopters, there are a lot of people giving up, as get bored and the main flyers upgrading to better technology..so I thought there is a opportunity to buy second hand quads like the Phantom cheap. They are not hard to repair unless been in the sea like my old Phantom, new esc and motor still flying

So my thoughts were maybe I should create a site on that-- however found the legal side creates me as a broker like Ebay per say..so walked from that. However I feel there is nothing wrong pitting a ad in your local shop window? Have not tried that yet, any views on my crazy thoughts?

sco_hmmthink

I think it's a very good idea!  And I think as time goes on and this hobby becomes more popular the market for drones will expand in all areas, including used ones.  

There is no question that there is a need for local drone dealerships, drone shops, where all the major brands are sold -- and repaired -- and used ones are sold.   A shop like that would be a goldmine and if I were not so old and tired I would be giving serious consideration to finding some technically competent young fellows to hire and looking for financial backing -- which would be very easy to get!  One thing which really worries me about buying a Phantom or a Yuneec is what I would do with problems.  Where would I take it for repairs?  right now the option is to send it to China and pay shipping both ways in addition to costs.  

Again; I think you have a good idea!  

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Redfive said
Hi Mike, I have been thinking that maybe a plug in monitor that you could either clip to the controller or set in goggles maybe the way to go, What do you think?

Bryan

Hello Bryan!

I don't know the situation in the UK, but here in the US the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) has imposed a ban on FPV goggles.  

Re: a plug-in monitor, that's what DJI Phantoms use.  their controllers have a fixture for clamping a smart-phone or a tablet which will contain a downloaded software application.  I think that set-up is physically awkward.  The fixture is weak and there are reported examples of failure and breakage, and I personally dislike tinkering around with software.

Yuneec, which is the second ranking best-selling quad, has a 5-1/2" FPV monitor built into the controller.  The downside is it's smaller than an 8" tablet and the Yuneec's drone (the Typhoon) is not as versatile as the DJI Phantom.  

Right now the Phantom models range from $800 (Phantom-3) to $1,400 (the Phantom-4 was released yesterday).  The Yuneec Typhoon is presently priced at $1,000.  There is no question that the way this technology is progressing, new models being introduced every day, these prices will be coming down fast and soon -- which is one factor that holds me back.  I would hate to spend that much on a drone only to have the price reduced by half in a year or so.  But the problem is I'm nearly 80 years old and haven't got much time left to wait around for price increases.

So take it easy.  Good to see you back again.

Mike--

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I agree, a charge up and play quad it the higher specs would be super. I had no idea that America has banned fpv goggles, I think they are the only way to use fpv as I struggle to watch a monitor if it is on the controller as it is such a different way of controlling compared with looking directly at the quad. I think a quad school would help!! along with a shop for repairs.  

Bryan

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Redfive said
I agree, a charge up and play quad it the higher specs would be super. I had no idea that America has banned fpv goggles, I think they are the only way to use fpv as I struggle to watch a monitor if it is on the controller as it is such a different way of controlling compared with looking directly at the quad. I think a quad school would help!! along with a shop for repairs.  

Bryan,

Yes.  The FAA believes that LOS (Line Of Sight), meaning eyes on the drone, is the safest way to fly.  While they are tolerant of an FPV monitor screen they believe goggles substantially reduce a pilot's awareness of the surrounding environment.  They believe that flying entirely by FPV is dangerous because it eliminates peripheral vision.  FAA says its ban on goggles is based on information compiled from percentage of drone accidents, some of which caused injuries and property damage.    

When you think about it, the leading drones in the professional category, DJI Phantoms, Yuneec Q500, etc., are actually flying cameras  the primary purpose of which is aerial photography.  One comment I read on the DJI Phantom message board was by a professional photographer who said he refers to his FPV monitor screen only to briefly check certain telemetry information such as remaining battery life, air speed, ceiling, etc., and to be sure his subject is properly framed in the camera lens.  He says 98% of his flying is LOS.  

Have you checked out YouTube videos on the DJI Phantoms and the Yuneec Q500 and their FPV features?  I'd like to know your opinions.  

Mike--

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Hi Mike, Red5 and all,

   I got my FAA license about a month ago and I didn't see any ban on goggles.

The only requirements I saw was that the heli/quad/drone had to be at least a

1/2 lb in weight and able to fly outdoors via RF as opposed to IR control. 

  Thank goodness Spring is almost here, days are starting to get longer here in the

Western Hemisphere and it's soon time to re-condition the batteries on my

collection of outdoor fliers, after, of, course, I add my FAA # to them!

  Any response would be great! Meanwhile, safe and happy flying to you all!

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JamDJ said
Hi Mike, Red5 and all,

   I got my FAA license about a month ago and I didn't see any ban on goggles.

The only requirements I saw was that the heli/quad/drone had to be at least a

1/2 lb in weight and able to fly outdoors via RF as opposed to IR control. 

  Thank goodness Spring is almost here, days are starting to get longer here in the

Western Hemisphere and it's soon time to re-condition the batteries on my

collection of outdoor fliers, after, of, course, I add my FAA # to them!

  Any response would be great! Meanwhile, safe and happy flying to you all!

Hello, JamDJ,

Re: Goggles:  Go here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums.....?t=2192501   See Paragraph 2.  The rule is Line Of Sight, meaning no goggles, no FPV.  

And I believe it's going to get worse -- a lot worse if a rogue drone causes harm or serious damage.

Based on what I've read the FAA is poised to bring the hammer down on this hobby.  Further, Someone on the Yuneec website said he learned from a connected relative that Homeland Security is pushing for restrictive regulation because of the significant terrorist potential posed by hobby drones.  For that reason Amazon is having trouble getting approval for its plan to use drones for immediate delivery of packages up to 15 pounds.  And when we consider the kind of damage a 15-pound block of C-4 could cause their concern makes sense.

 

Yes, spring is almost here and the drones will soon be flying.  There is a small field near me which is adequate for buzzing around with my Syma x5c, but the overhead power-lines and the surrounding trees make it quite inadequate for flying anything like a Phantom or a Typhoon, which I've had my mind on.  I had been thinking about two places here in Central NJ, wide-open spaces which would accommodate flying a sophisticated drone.  But I just found out from a local cop that they've just been declared off-limits to drones.  

So it looks like I'm left to envy those drone pilots who live near sparsely populated wide-open spaces.

 

Mike--

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MikeK. Yes, I looked, and thanks for that update. Yes it appears goggles are out unless in a controlled situation,

like a hobby club meeting or a fly-in. It is geting worse here in Pennsylvania. Just this week, after my last post,

our state declared ALL state parks are a no-fly zone for drones/quads/whatevers. I hate to say it, but I can't

blame them. This Sunday's newspaper headline was that drones were interfering with the migratory geese

along the Susquehanna River area, and another was caught on camera near the bald eagle nest in York

County, where 2 eggs are about to hatch. Pennsylvania already has 2 cameras up in the nest, so wy bother?!

I haven't been on the Euneec site yet, but I'm sure they are experiencing the troubles we are.

  On a positive note, I have been charging the batteries in my outdoor heli's this week and am ready to take to

the sky tomorrow as the temps here will be warm and the winds are supposed to be calm. I used a black

Sharpie to add my new FAA number "just in case". Like yourself, I don't have a HUGE area to fly,

but there is enough farmland here in Lancaster that we can go to, as long as we ask permission and

the crops haven't been planted yet, about 3 more weeks.

  I didn't realize that we are sort of neighbors, and Sarge isn't far from us , either. I'll PM you

an attraction Mrs. Jam and I are wanting to visit that might be near you.  

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