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I had been moving closer to buying a Phantom III for several months.  The only thing holding me back was a lack of information.  I didn't want to buy one and then find out that being able to fly it is more trouble than it's worth -- or is outside my technical (computer) capabilities.

I know the Phantom calls for using a smart phone or an iPad for the FPV display.  The FPV feature is of primary importance to me but I don't have a smart phone or an iPad, or a tablet, I am not computer savvy and I can't stand tinkering around with computers.  So the very idea of having to learn how to use a new computer gadget is repulsive to me.  

Yesterday I found that Amazon is selling the Phantom III Advanced model for $800, which flipped the "buy" switch for me and I decided to buy it.  Luckily I did some checking first and learned I would need a smart phone or an Apple iPad Mini model 2, neither of which I need for any other purpose, nor want, nor wish to endure the distraction of learning how to use, and then having the hassle of getting it to work with the copter.  So the bottom line is I just said to hell with it!  I'd like to have a Phantom III if I could get one for less than $1,000, total, and be able to use it right out of the box.  But I'm not looking for a lot of aggravation and the prospect of dinking around with a computer gadget is as appealing to me as having a root canal.  (Check this out:

So I've decided to put it off and wait until DJI or some other manufacturer comes out with something comparable to the Phantom III -- but with an integrated  FPV monitor.  I'm quite sure we'll be seeing something like that fairly soon, because this industry is just getting started.

I'm recalling my first VCR, which I bought in 1980 for $850.  Compared to the last one I got about three years ago for $150 that first one was a comparatively primitive clunker with not nearly the features and sophistication as the latest one -- and they're all obsolete now.  Same with computers.  They keep getting more sophisticated, much less complicated -- and they cost less.  

The only problem is I'm 79 years old, so I don't have too much time to wait around for what I'm waiting for.

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I have the first Phantom 1, crashed many times put into the sea etc.One has to work out what your need is in a quad. Are you more into filming or FPV?

Reason I ask the Phantom is great for filming and I have done FPV with it using the ImmersionRC 5.8Ghz Audio/Video Transmitter - FatShark compatible (600mw) link here and got a cable to use my Gopro camera as fpv camera and record videos, worked very well.I love the fact of having GPS so when doing fpv you can stop hover and get your orientation back, I use Fatshark goggles as in Australia the sun is just to bright to use my mobile phone for fpv.

Every week there are new quads on the market, but have to say after buying the Walkera 250 for a racing quad the earlier one has no gps and to hard for me to enjoy it, I go back to the Phantom, but it does cost a lot of dollars however the whole process of using their software to change setups should you need to do so is easy.

I put up a website a few years ago on the Phantom 1 here have not updated for awhile as busy with this site.Age does not come into this, I am 65 and enjoying this hobby more now than 20 years ago.

Check out Hobbyking to give yourself a idea what is out there, buy most from them or Banggood link to help you

Hope that helps a bit..to me better to have a remote with built in video than a mobile, or use Goggles, again extra cost but better. Check the options out

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I have the first Phantom 1, crashed many times put into the sea etc.One has to work out what your need is in a quad. Are you more into filming or FPV?

Reason I ask the Phantom is great for filming and I have done FPV with it using the ImmersionRC 5.8Ghz Audio/Video Transmitter - FatShark compatible (600mw) link here and got a cable to use my Gopro camera as fpv camera and record videos, worked very well.I love the fact of having GPS so when doing fpv you can stop hover and get your orientation back, I use Fatshark goggles as in Australia the sun is just to bright to use my mobile phone for fpv.

Every week there are new quads on the market, but have to say after buying the Walkera 250 for a racing quad the earlier one has no gps and to hard for me to enjoy it, I go back to the Phantom, but it does cost a lot of dollars however the whole process of using their software to change setups should you need to do so is easy.

I put up a website a few years ago on the Phantom 1 here have not updated for awhile as busy with this site.Age does not come into this, I am 65 and enjoying this hobby more now than 20 years ago.

Check out Hobbyking to give yourself a idea what is out there, buy most from them or Banggood link to help you

Hope that helps a bit..to me better to have a remote with built in video than a mobile, or use Goggles, again extra cost but better. Check the options out

S/F,

Thanks for the response.  

You ask what I want from a Phantom. Simply stated, what I want is what everyone who flies an x5c wants.  First is stable, firmly controllable flight (GPS) and Auto-Home.  Next are clear and stable FPV and recording capabilities.  

The factor which initially put Phantom 3 out of my reach was cost.  When it was introduced the first price I'd seen was around $1,500 (u.s.)  But because of the rapid movement of this industry I knew that price would soon be declining because of competition.  So I tucked the Phantom idea in the back of my mind and decided to wait.

I had heard that Phantom 3 does not come with an FPV monitor screen and that a smart-phone or a tablet was needed to complete the package (the advertising avoids mention of this very significant fact).  I'd assumed that meant when the Phantom arrived all one needed to do was pop a phone or tablet onto the holder, plug it in, and it's ready to go.  So with that blundering notion in mind all I was waiting for was a reasonable price reduction.

The other day I noticed Amazon was selling the Phantom 3 for $800, which to me seemed like a $700 price reduction.  And because I have neither a smart-phone or a tablet computer (nor need or want either) I looked for a reasonably priced tablet and found one at Amazon for $50.  Naively believing with that I'd be all set to go for a final sum of $850 I decided to order both items.  But before leaping I decided to have a closer look, so I went to YouTube and started researching my plan.

What I learned is first of all a smart phone is not the best option for FPV monitoring, because of its size and technical limitations, and that a $50 tablet is absolutely out of the question.  A number of apparent experts assuringly recommend the Apple iPad Air 2 -- which costs around $450.  So right off the bat, when considering the addition of such accessories as a second battery and a carrying case, I'd be right back to the $1,500 number.  But that's not the whole story.

Even if I were willing to spend that much, which I'm not, it seems getting the Phantom 3 in the air and doing what it's capable of doing calls for a hell of a lot of computer tinkering -- which I am neither capable of nor very fond of.  In fact, as explained in a previous message, I look forward to that stuff the way I look forward to having surgery.  In further fact, the computer tinkering requirement is more discouraging to me than is the $1,500 final figure.  

So it's back to waiting for industry competition to either drive the price of a Phantom down far enough to justify my hiring a computer geek to hold my hand, or for some competitor -- hopefully SYMA, to recognize the shortcomings I've described and market a drone which is as good if not better than Phantom 3, with minimal computer tinkering required and marketed at a reasonable price.

As previously mentioned; when I think back to my first VCR, what I once paid $850 for is not nearly as good as what I've later paid as little as $150 for.  And the same situation applies to computers.  

What I'm hoping to see is a drone which is equal in performance to Phantom 3, with an integrated FPV monitor, minimal computer tinkering required, with a final price of around $1,000.  Until then I will remain content with my x5c and S-107 birds.

Again, thanks for your attention.

MikeK--

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MikeK,

You do have the FPV options with Phantoms.  The biggest issue is the price point.  You won't do it under $1K as far as I can see.

They do have a 7" FPV system with a sunshade.  So far I have been flying with a Samsung Galaxy S5.  The only real advantage with the FPV is seeing what the camera sees, and all the telemetry is also displayed with altitude, speed, number of satellites locked, and the different battery levels.

Smartphones are not all that computer like in most ways.  I get more use out of it flying than otherwise.

The other thing it gives me is a complete record of the entire flight.  I can load it into my computer and then see the Lat., Long., altitude, speed, and all the other recorded elements of the flight telemetry.

Still flying when the weather permits.  Haven't changed rotor blades to the fiberglass filled nylon yet.  I've had a bunch of other things going on around here.  Like getting rid over 30 inches of snow, managing to strain the right knee ligaments in the process, and now waiting for the darn winds to die down some!

I've been getting avg. of 11 to 12 MPH, current @ 14 - 16, with peaks hitting 20+.  Not going to fly in those conditions!  Even on Hover Lock it would eat up battery like crazy to hover!

Keep them flying!

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Sarge,

  I think we got hit with the same snowstorm at the end of January as we had 30" of snow also.

The last of it just melted in the huge piles in parking lots. My back is still hurting from shoveling

and getting rid of what the snow blower couldn't get to.

   Your threads are interesting, please keep posting!

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MikeK,

You do have the FPV options with Phantoms.  The biggest issue is the price point.  You won't do it under $1K as far as I can see.

They do have a 7" FPV system with a sunshade.  So far I have been flying with a Samsung Galaxy S5.  The only real advantage with the FPV is seeing what the camera sees, and all the telemetry is also displayed with altitude, speed, number of satellites locked, and the different battery levels.

Smartphones are not all that computer like in most ways.  I get more use out of it flying than otherwise.

The other thing it gives me is a complete record of the entire flight.  I can load it into my computer and then see the Lat., Long., altitude, speed, and all the other recorded elements of the flight telemetry.

Still flying when the weather permits.  Haven't changed rotor blades to the fiberglass filled nylon yet.  I've had a bunch of other things going on around here.  Like getting rid over 30 inches of snow, managing to strain the right knee ligaments in the process, and now waiting for the darn winds to die down some!

I've been getting avg. of 11 to 12 MPH, current @ 14 - 16, with peaks hitting 20+.  Not going to fly in those conditions!  Even on Hover Lock it would eat up battery like crazy to hover!

Keep them flying!

Old Sarge

Sarge,

You mention, "they" do have an FPV system with a sunshade."  Do you mean Yuneec?  I know the Yuneec Typhoon Q500 has a 7" screen with a pop-on sunshade.  

The Yuneec Typhoon is a good-looking drone.  The price is $1,000.  It comes with a carrying case an extra battery and a handle for using the gimbal-controlled camera.  But reading the customer reviews tells me the Yuneec is subject to a couple of problems.  Those reviews suggest that if you order a Yuneec you have a 50/50 chance of getting one with problems.  You either get a lemon or a peach.  

Based on what I've read, Yuneec's customer service is excellent while DJI's couldn't be worse.  Both companies are China based and sending a drone in for repair involves a substantial shipping cost and an average month to six-week wait for return.  That fact alone is discouraging and I'm not aware of any domestic full-service dealers for either brand.  The Apple stores sell DJI but they do not service them.  

Re: DJI prices:  They just released Phantom 4.  The price is around $1,300.  What I've read is the only really significant new feature is object avoidance: If there's something in your flight path Phantom 4 will sense it from 25' distance and it stops, waiting for you to redirect it. That is a worthwhile feature and I read Yuneec is working on a 360 degree version of object avoidance that will sense 20' proximity anywhere near the drone, not only in front of it, which is good if you're flying near buildings or trees and there is wind.  

The price of Phantom 3 Professional was just reduced to $1,000.  Phantom 3 Advanced is $800.  The Standard is $500.  

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Syma,

I was referring to the crap screen that uses the Apple IOS and an Apple module inside the Phantom.

Regarding the Phantom 3 Series, they are AFU!  They have been cracking the bodies like nobody's business!  You couldn't give me one brand new for no $$$ !  DJI is NOT making good on it like everything other facet of support!

I do like the object avoidance concept, however I seriously wonder how that REALLY works when it comes to the smaller branches of trees!

Trees are the worst enemy of any quad-copter worth owning is the tree branches.

I'm still flying in my local neighborhood despite the stupid Class D Airport Manager whom has made it clear that she does NOT want me in the air even at 40 feet!  Screw Her!  No damn aircraft will be that low unless it is crashing!  The damn trees are over 130 feet tall all around here.

I've got carbon fiber blades coming.  Those will hold up good.  Would NOT want to get fingers in their way!  Call them sushi makers!

Catch Y'all again,

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Thank you for your posts, keep them coming

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Syma Freak,

I will keep up with any *useful* new information that I do obtain. I certainly will NOT post speculation!

Speculation is essentially misinformation.  It creates myths.

The Virginia Tech. simulation is debatable.  It is solely based on an 8 pound Drone sucked into an Aircraft Turbine engine!

I have wrote them to inform them that this needs to be done.  Lord only knows *if* they will pay any attention. I can lead, but cannot make them go there!

The masses own the much lower weight Quads such as the DJI Series.  I do NOT know of an 8 pound one being offered, but they may eventually get that big.

They need to run the simulation on the market that has the most of the size and weight that is being purchased.  Then there will be data that is more useful than the current simulation data. 

I only see the High End Double bladed motor Hexa-Copters that run close to $22,900 USD bare, then they add an Epic Dragon Camera at $31,200 USD, ( Base Model!  Frame Only!), along with the IAG3 Gimbal by Intuitive Aerial @ $24,900 USD.  This is an entire Commercial Setup by Mr. Allen Farst.  The combined mass is a total of 43 pounds minimum, or 26kg.  The lenses selected drive the weight and cost up a substantial amount!

His video organization is Niche Productions.  They have been filming for Hollywood, Automobile Manufacturers, and high end clients.

Old Sarge - Never Say Die!  Keep on flying!

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Hello, everyone,

 

It's been awhile since my last meandering, so I'll bring anyone who might be interested up to date.

A couple of months ago my neighbor saw me flying my X5c and told me his son had "got one of those he paid a thousand dollars for."  When that raised my eyebrow he told me his son was coming to visit on Sunday and he'd ask him to bring his drone, which by description sounded to me like a Phantom.  

That Sunday his son, Ted, shows up with a sad tale in place of the expected drone.  It seems what he'd had was indeed a Phantom 3 Professional.  He told me it worked only nominally with his smart-phone, which was too small.  So he bought an Apple tablet for $275 and that worked very well.  He said he'd had to do a bit of computer tinkering to get the drone set up to fly.  He said he believed the reason why most people, including him, run into problems is human nature in that the first time you get your drone in the air you tend to keep it within 50' height and 50 yards range.  Next time you increase that cautious limitation to 100' height and 200 yard range.  As confidence grows that gradual expansion continues until the invitation to disaster is finally accepted.

Ted said after about a month of daily adventures with his Phantom he decided to fly it under a bridge at Long Beach Island, then turn around and come back over the bridge.  But he'd gotten cocky and wasn't thinking of one very critical factor: when he flew under the bridge the gps sensor lost contact with the satellites and his drone started to sharply drift.  When he panicked and hit RTH the drone rose straight up, bounced off the bottom of the bridge -- and he watched a thousand dollars tumble and splash into the Atlantic inlet, and sink.   

That's why I haven't been around in a while.  That sad tale was all it took to cancel my already wavering intention to buy a Phantom.  If something like that happened to me I would become catatonic.  So the $960 difference between the Phantom and my X5c, plus the need to buy an Apple mini-tablet, plus the required computer tinkering, plus the imposing new FAA regulations, have combined to put my intention to fly-with-the-big-guys to rest.  

Rather than risk spending that kind of money on a possible disappointment (or tragic mishap) I've decided to wait for the rapidly advancing evolution of this technology to produce what I want at reasonable cost.  Again, my first computer cost $2000 and was a toy compared to what is available today for $300.  And while my first VCR cost $850 it wasn't nearly as good as the last one I bought for $150.  

About two months ago I bought a JXD-509g drone, which is about 1/3 the size of the Yuneec Q500 but otherwise is physically identical to it.  This little visual knock-off comes with an FPV monitor which attaches to the controller and provides surprisingly clear images.  In addition to that it is equipped with barometric altitude hold, which effectively eliminates the need to control altitude while flying.  Overall the 509g is a very stable flyer with two downsides:  one is jello effect of the camera, the other is three minute flying time with the camera connected (twice that with the camera disconnected).  While I paid $125 for my 509g I recently saw them advertised for under $100.  

So my position now is waiting and watching.  I don't have a smart phone, nor do I want one, and I don't like tinkering with the software requirements of the presently advanced drones.  So while we now have access to quality FPV, efficient altitude hold and relatively stable flight for under $100, competition in the drone industry is severe and I'm anticipating addition of budget-priced gps next.  

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Good post MikeK. I can relate to putting the first phantom that came out which cost me $800 into the Pacific ocean, weeks of repairs flies again.I have been dealing with Gearbest that sent me two quads to review, one the Syma X5HW the other a Nano mini drone called the Wltoys Q343 Tiny WiFi FPV. Both use a smart phone for FPV, as living in Australia the sunlight really gives me a problem viewing well on the phone, with the DJI Phantom I bought Fatshark goggles and used a Gopro camera to send image to goggles worked well.

I believe goggles are the best way to fly FPV and now one can use a mobius camera with docking port to view through goggles, what I am trying to say as you said like my first fax machine cost me $4000, not that I use one now, I believe a company like Syma will produce a quadcopter(drone) to have it all out the box for $200 and be lighter enough to get over the FAA rules, this is a huge business now and many smaller companies are coming into the market with new quads, the competition is fierce, and like you find it hard to want to pay $1000-$3000 for a quad, as you know even with gps etc one does have crashes that are costly to fix. I liked the Walkera 250 I bought the first one out for $250, no gps,but was fairly easy to repair, however they used some poor materials in the first design which they have now corrected, better to wait until the second or third updated model comes on the market.

Keep us posted when you are looking to buy again, we can all help each other with our views

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Hello, S/F.

Good hearing from you.  In keeping with your projection that Syma will probably introduce a quad with all the goodies like GPS, altitude-hold, RTH and built-in FPV, all for around $200, I agree.  That's what I intend to wait for -- and I don't think the wait will be that long.  Considering the parade of competitive advances we've seen in just the past year it won't be long before the full package will be available in the $200 - $300 price range.  

I was thinking the Syma X5c is the perfect platform to expand on.  

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Hi MK,

Correct the Syma X5C is a great Syma Quadcopter to progress with. I did a review on the Syma X5WH that has fpv but only for smart phone, know not that hard to have a transmitter to use say on fatshark goggles, pretty sure this will be available soon

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Hi MK,

Correct the Syma X5C is a great Syma Quadcopter to progress with. I did a review on the Syma X5WH that has fpv but only for smart phone, know not that hard to have a transmitter to use say on fatshark goggles, pretty sure this will be available soon  

Hello, S/F.

Re: the smart-phone requirement.  This is one very big reason why I've never gone ahead and bought a Phantom.  I have a basic flip-phone, which is all I need.  Adding a phone to the cost of a drone and having to clip it onto the controller is a major turn-off for me.  

The Yuneec Typhoon has a really nice controller with a built-in 7" display.  But it's $1,400, which is a bit over my budget, especially now that I've decided to wait for industry competition to put out a good drone with all the major features and price it in the $500 - $600 range -- and I have no doubt that it's coming.  

Right now there are a number of toy-grade quads (and one hexacopter) available with fpv, altitude-hold and RTH for around $75.  I have one and it's very impressive compared to what was available just one year ago.  If my JXD509g had GPS, greater range, 20+ minute flight time, and were priced at around $200 - $250 it would be exactly what a lot of people are looking for.  I'm sure something like that will soon be available and I'm surprised Syma hasn't come out with it yet.  

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Hi M,

I understand everything you say.

Must admit been slack this last year as spent my time looking after a friend with dementia, now he is in a great home with all round care.

So before, I used to send emails to Syma with ideas, think some were looked at. DJI is bringing out quads like the Mavic, still around $1,700 and not really what I need.I want the ability in the package to do FPV ,if I want or fly with out, not extra costs on top..it will happen, what do they say "Patience is a virtue"

So looking at upgrading this site and creating another on quadcopter information site, unfortunately takes a lot of my time and really make no dollars doing this, all for the fun of the hobby.Thanks for posting. SF

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Hello, S/F.

In keeping with my intention to wait for this extremely competitive drone industry to introduce something with all the desirable features of the latest DJI and Yuneec models -- but at affordable cost and without all the requisite computer-tinkering; Hubsan has marketed the 501-S, which is a well-designed, apparently well-made drone that features GPS, altitude-hold, FPV, headless and follow-me modes, a nice camera, 1/2 mile range and 20 minute flight time.  The price is below $300 and I was leaning forward until I checked on some reviews at Amazon and learned there is a computer-tinkering (firmware updating) requirement -- which switched me off like a blown fuse.  

I'm recalling the early computer days when one needed to write a few lines of code to get from the opening screen of MS-DOS to any of the four or five available applications.   It appears the dronesmiths have mastered the electronics and the nano-mechanics of quads sufficiently to mimic the sophisticated performance of the $1,000+ versions but they haven't managed to eliminate the need for "firmware" updating -- which is anathema to computer dummies like me.  

I would like very much to fly a GPS controlled drone with a few other sophisticated features, but not enough to get involved with all the downloading this and that and moving this and that and the inevitable frustration of failure and so on.  For me, that aggravation is comparable to moving back to the computer technology of the mid-80s.  

If Syma is listening, PLEASE release a drone with all the features of the Hubsan 501-S but without the software-tinkering requirement.  I want to take it out of the box, put the batteries in, calibrate the compass (that part is okay) -- and fly it!  PLEASE find a software engineer who can create a chip that eliminates the need for "firmware updates."  

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I looked at the Husban 501-S the other day, nice looking quad with brushless motors , for a cost of around $300 is not to excessive with having gps and fpv.The other problem is trying to view your flight looking at the remote video feed is a pain to me as so hard to see in sunlight, goggles are better, however it does have a shader to pull up on remote.I noticed a few people saying it flew out the box with out having to update the firmware, I feel it will be some time to get a quad with gps etc that will not need to be put on a computer to upgrade and set.

I have a old DJI Phantom and at times I have to update firmware or reset after a crash, I must admit can be trying as to be really safe you need to remove all the props and often the quad will not recognize a update. Things will eventuate on the style of quadcopter you want as most people like you just want to fly out of the box not to have to take a laptop to the park to tweak things.

Syma needs to push into the quadcopter market a bit more with changing to brushless motors etc, i must admit have had huge fun with my X5C, now imagine that upgraded with all the bells and whistles would sell well, would it need computer tinkering I guess so at this stage.

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I looked at the Husban 501-S the other day, nice looking quad with brushless motors , for a cost of around $300 is not to excessive with having gps and fpv.The other problem is trying to view your flight looking at the remote video feed is a pain to me as so hard to see in sunlight, goggles are better, however it does have a shader to pull up on remote.I noticed a few people saying it flew out the box with out having to update the firmware, I feel it will be some time to get a quad with gps etc that will not need to be put on a computer to upgrade and set.

I have a old DJI Phantom and at times I have to update firmware or reset after a crash, I must admit can be trying as to be really safe you need to remove all the props and often the quad will not recognize a update. Things will eventuate on the style of quadcopter you want as most people like you just want to fly out of the box not to have to take a laptop to the park to tweak things.

Syma needs to push into the quadcopter market a bit more with changing to brushless motors etc, i must admit have had huge fun with my X5C, now imagine that upgraded with all the bells and whistles would sell well, would it need computer tinkering I guess so at this stage.  

Yes.  Exactly what I have in mind -- an x5c with all the goodies and no computer tinkering requirement.  And the way this industry is moving forward I'm confident we'll soon be seeing something like that.  I always look to Syma because my experience with the 107 and the x5c has shown me they have the right idea.  

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Hello S/F & Co,

It's been about 18 months since I decided I wouldn't spend more than $100 on another drone until the industry introduces one with all the bells and whistles , no computer ("firmware") tinkering, and built-in FPV.  My last purchase was a JXD509g, which cost $100 and features altitude-hold along with a nice FPV screen.  It flew okay for awhile but had a very short flight time which got shorter and shorter and the problem is not the batteries.  So that's on the junk shelf now.

As mentioned, I've had my eye on the Hubsan 501s which costs $300 and has GPS, Altitude-Hold, Return-To-Home, Follow Me, Headless Mode and a small but clear FPV screen in the controller.  I was on the verge of buying one but I came across a few videos on You-Tube which put the brakes on.  This very appealing quad seems to have a lot of "firmware" problems.  Also, it eats up the alkaline AA cells in the controller and there is no provision for a rechargeable battery.  

So I'm back to holding out for a winner, which I know is coming.  I won't give in and buy the Hubsan 501s because I know that as soon as I do someone is going to come out with a winner and I don't want to be kicking myself.  Firmware tinkering and battery problems are good reasons to wait.

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Thanks for post MikeK,

My view hang on.Built a website on Hubsan501, but nearly deleted site.Not for general view at this stage.But not happy to go on with review as see on line problems like you mention as in firmware, to me a pain to have to fix on computer.So I am still looking for the perfect deal.The problem I see is no manufacturer listening to flyers like us, they just crank out new models but lack the insight, to what we want and price.

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